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Post by gettynut93 on Dec 1, 2006 10:48:56 GMT -5
did anyone catch last nights show of a haunting? it was really a wake up call. it was about a paranormal investigator who was checking out a farm house that was one time used for satanic meetings or something like that. she only went one time and a demon "attached" its self to her and possessed her. this was the first that I saw that happen. is there anyway this can be prevented? or is this a very rare thing. i carry the medal of the ARC angel for protection when i go investigating.
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Post by Rick on Dec 1, 2006 21:54:14 GMT -5
I have seen demon possesion a couple of times.It is not something I want to see again. I have found that a strong faith will give the demons pause.
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Post by impintraining on Dec 2, 2006 2:19:42 GMT -5
As an agnostic, I don't really buy into the whole Christian philosophy about demon possessions, well.. let's say I don't fully accept that 'the power of Christ compels thee!'.
However, I do believe that the human mind, when charged with a firm belief of empowerment, can make amazing things happen.
In short, I don't think it takes a priest to chase off a demon, but it is a rare person who can put as much faith in his or herself to be able to do such a feat without resorting to a belief of a higher power. It's just easier for people to believe that some deity hidden up in the clouds can make use its power to do the unthinkable, rather than believe the power already exists within you and you just need resolve and belief to make it happen.
After all this, it should be fairly obvious that I do believe that demons and perhaps angels exist... but I don't necessarily believe they are emmisaries from Heaven or Hell.
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Post by Rick on Dec 2, 2006 15:31:19 GMT -5
I have a run in with a person possesed some time ago, it was a very interesting experiance. perhaps we should discuss it some time. (It may be posted in here somewhere).
Rick
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Post by rianith on Dec 9, 2006 12:19:50 GMT -5
Demon possession can be a nasty thing.... The one thing people seem to forget, though, is this: Like Humans - And Angels - Not all demons are one way or the other. There are "good Demons" along with the bad.
The Fairy Folk could be concidered demons, but while they did do nasty things to people, according to Celtic Beleif, they did HELP too.
The Kitsune of Japanese folklore is another example. (And these, like the fae folk, were known too for possessions). There were the Holy Kitsune, Inari's Own (Inari is the Japanese Kitsune God), then there were Wild Kitsune. The Holy Kitsune would protect the Temples of Inari, and help people, while the Wild Kitsune were known to trick and mislead human men by disquising themselves as women. Again, even though troublesome, even the Wild Kitsune were known to Help Travelers.. in their own way.
As with precious stones, example the Geode(sp?), sometimes just because the outside is ugly, does not mean it's a horrible thing inside.
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Post by Rick on Dec 9, 2006 20:38:52 GMT -5
Rainith's description is interesting. I have never heard of a good demon before. the bible is full of demoninc stories: the one I am thinking of is similar to Rainith's: Before Noah's flood, there are demons who mated with humans. The offspring were called giants.
Some of the paranormal investigators call demons --non human entities. Beings who were never human.
I know we are a group of mixed beliefs, so this discussion is interesting.
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Post by rianith on Dec 10, 2006 12:09:26 GMT -5
*chuckles softly* There are some people who beleive creatures who were never human (The fae, Demons, Dragons, mer-creatures, ect.) have been forced into taking Human forms long ago because of the Witch/vampire/Werewolf/ect hunts that took place in the Middle Ages.
It's a group of people, international, who span all religions. I've been surprised to come across some Catholics and others of the Christian Type Faiths who beleive this. Of course.. Most people who beleive this, beleive it because they feel that they themselves are one of these creatures that.. while locked inside human form for so many lifetimes, they are genetically human now ..they are ..more then human.
Do a search online for the term "OtherKin"
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Post by impintraining on Dec 11, 2006 17:41:56 GMT -5
As this conversation had mutated from a TV show excerpt into a paranormal discussion of things other than human, maybe we should consider moving the conversation into a more appropriate category?
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Post by Rick on Dec 11, 2006 22:33:55 GMT -5
you are right, but I can not move just the messages, I would have to move the whole topic
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Post by rianith on Dec 12, 2006 18:22:23 GMT -5
I appoligize. ^_^'
And actually, it's still partially on topic.
One of the "otherkin" is easily mistaken for someone who's possessed.
But that's mute.
Again, I appoligize for the digression(sp?) of the Topic.
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Post by impintraining on Dec 12, 2006 18:41:36 GMT -5
I'm not trying to kill the conversation by any means, or make anyone feel bad. I just want people who are interested in this type of thing to be able to find it without too much headache.
Maybe if we just start up a new thread in the right category... then everyone's happy.
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Post by spriskeptic on Dec 29, 2006 11:13:50 GMT -5
This is a great discussion and as most of you have mentioned, it should probably be moved. Even though gettynut's original post mentioned a specific TV show, his question was more about personal protection. I'm thinking Open Paranormal Discussion.
To contribute to the conversation ...
Possession, demons, daemons, spirits, entities, angels, giants, faeries, sprites, brownies, dragons, ethereal forms, elementals, witches, vampires, werewolves ...
All these terms and many more have relative meanings. Depending on what you are reading or watching (and we all know that main steam TV often distorts and sensationalizes words and meanings, but since they reach so many they affect the public's comprehension) these words have different meanings, sometimes even opposite meanings.
We may want to sit down some day and try to put together a glossary that we can all live with, but I don't think that it would be much more than an entertaining endeavor. We have many differing backgrounds, beliefs, preconceived ideas. Often I think we are talking about the same thing but with different semantics.
I personally define a demon as a non-human entity from a different plane of existence who is aware of our plane and who can only exist here by using a host. I believe all demons to be bad. Anyone or anything that impinges on my free will is bad, whatever its eventual purpose.
I also believe that the human mind is capable of much higher functions. Therefore I believe that some possessions are nothing more than someone who has unlocked the Pandora's Box of their mental prowess without the ability to comprehend or control it.
I do believe that charismatic men/women of faith (any faith including science) can help those that are afflicted with either an unwanted visitor or a flood of mental ability without lucidity. I say charismatic because I believe that in order to help the afflicted person (and their family) the faithful person must be able to convey not only their faith but the absolute truth and power of their belief. They must convert the afflicted (even if the afflicted is of the same faith) into a true believer.
Having said all that, to answer your question gettynut. In my opinion to protect yourself from unwanted paranormal visitors or hangers on, you must first be on your guard (mentally) and decide upon a protection that you believe in whole heartedly. My personal opinion is that it is the belief (whether that brings you spiritual power or mental prowess) that protects you.
By the way I love this conversation and I would like to hear the other members chime in.
Tom.
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Post by gettynut93 on Jan 12, 2007 18:31:57 GMT -5
Thanks for all the replies on my topic. i guess it was a mixed topic question. the episode just had me thinking about what we do and i guess what could happen in some rare cases. but i loved all the replies. ps. when are the new "A HAUNTING" shows coming on, the last few weeks they have been all reruns. i love watching them. its done in good taste. well nice chatting all gettynut93
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Post by Michelle on Feb 10, 2008 21:41:51 GMT -5
I always put myself in a "circle of white light" before I investigate or meditate. I have done this for years and I carry certain crystals with me. I have done a few of my own investigations and I felt that carrying the crystals and putting myself in a protective circle helps. My father is Catholic and he always tells me not to go "ghost hunting" because he fears I'll bring something home. I'm really not religious at all. I believe the techniques I use will help. I have dealt with demonic things in the past and by using these things, I didn't get possessed by them. I have heard that demons go for the weaker ones in the group. I don't know how true that is. I heard that on another episode of A Haunting. If I really feel that I am in danger, I call on the Arch angels.
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Post by yukstir on Feb 11, 2008 14:55:24 GMT -5
Hi Shelly! I, like you, often put myself in a circle of white light when I meditate also or when I feel I may be going into a potentially negative place or will be near plain old negative people. Being sensative you may have noticed how when someone is in a bad mood they can really suck your energy from you. The white light then become your "forcefield" in a sense. I agree whole hartedly with Tom's coments above, that it isn't necessariy the white light but the belief behind it that is the real power. Thought is energy! Whatever belief you put on a particular thing, ie white light, is the power you put into that thing. Many traditions have pouches or boxes with personal items they like to meditate with and actually "take" those items into their meditation for specific purposes. The physical object stays in the pouch of course but it is manifested in the meditation by the power of the mind and becomes a "real" object in that dimention for practical purposes. So again we see the belief in that object being the power behind it. I'm not religious myself but rather spiritual. Religion dwells on fear based thinking sometimes. I also beieve the techniques you use will work just fine as well.
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Post by froglover on Feb 12, 2008 7:24:19 GMT -5
I have to say I wish I was more spiritual...I dont do any of that.. I just go on investigations and that is that...maybe one day I can "pick your brain" about this subject...
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Post by yukstir on Feb 12, 2008 8:58:11 GMT -5
What's really neat is that quantum physics has been finding out that what mystics have been saying for thousands of years (including Jesus) seems to be right. When you go to a quantum level, physicists have found that thought affects how photons react at any distance and there seems to be this universal field of energy (photons) that seems to have some type of intelligence. Photons are everywhere and in everything. Spirituality is sort of the core of all religions without all the different beliefs put into it. It is a personal connection with higher intellignece to put it losely and what you think you can attract, good or bad. Would you agree Shelly?
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Post by Michelle on Feb 12, 2008 14:27:41 GMT -5
Hi Mark. Yes, it's really tough for me to be in large crowds. It's really draining on me since I'm an empath. I can really feel how others feel around me. Sometimes it's so bad it makes my skin crawl. So, I have learned to put up shields before going to places with large crowds.
As for your last posting, I would agree completly with what you said.
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Post by daynjohn on Feb 12, 2008 17:09:54 GMT -5
Hey Mark! You're right but it seems like a "Borg" mentality. In what I do, I have to believe in a spiritual free will. I've learned along time ago to shut off my abilities in places that will, literally, drive me crazy (like hospitals and extremely crowded places). I hope you saw Saturday night what I can do. I was raised thinking I was crazy or nearly because my family didn't "appreciate" my gifts. I didn't learn about "white light" or "shields". I simply learned how to do what I do and do it well with no "mechanisms" to help or help block. I've seen possessions (only 2 because I do not believe that all things follow a religious point of view) and I've seen almost every kind of spirit from "free-repeaters" to poltergeists. Every single slant I have ever heard on the subject involves some sort of belief system including the both of yours. Point is, everyone needs to believe in something to survive so how we get the feelings or results we get depend on what we believe in. Day
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Post by yukstir on Feb 12, 2008 18:49:15 GMT -5
Didn't mean to sound like the borg. I also whole hartedly believe in free will but what I'm saying is physicists are finding that we are all connected through this energy because it flows everywhere but at the same time it responds to our thoughts and can also change itself apparently in an intelligent way on its own. Free will and individual spirit are all within this field of energy. Christians would say that God is in everyone and everything you see is a part of God sort of thing. The Jedi call it the force!
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